February 19, 2009

  • Question 121 - What do you think of the pope's speech on the Jews?


    What do you think of the pope’s address to the Jews. Here is the full text of the speech below


    (12 Feb 09 - RV) Below is the full text of Pope Benedict XVI's speech to the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.

    Dear Friends,

    I am pleased to welcome all of you today, and I thank Rabbi Arthur Schneier and Mr Alan Solow for the greetings they have addressed to me on your behalf. I well recall the various occasions, during my visit to the United States last year, when I was able to meet some of you in Washington D.C. and New York. Rabbi Schneier, you graciously received me at Park East Synagogue just hours before your celebration of Pesah. Now, I am glad to have this opportunity to offer you hospitality here in my own home. Such meetings as this enable us to demonstrate our respect for one another. I want you to know that you are all most welcome here today in the house of Peter, the home of the Pope.

    I look back with gratitude to the various opportunities I have had over many years to spend time in the company of my Jewish friends. My visits to your communities in Washington and New York, though brief, were experiences of fraternal esteem and sincere friendship. So too was my visit to the Synagogue in Cologne, the first such visit in my Pontificate. It was very moving for me to spend those moments with the Jewish community in the city I know so well, the city which was home to the earliest Jewish settlement in Germany, its roots reaching back to the time of the Roman Empire

    A year later, in May 2006, I visited the extermination camp at Auschwitz-Birkenau. What words can adequately convey that profoundly moving experience? As I walked through the entrance to that place of horror, the scene of such untold suffering, I meditated on the countless number of prisoners, so many of them Jews, who had trodden that same path into captivity at Auschwitz and in all the other prison camps. Those children of Abraham, grief-stricken and degraded, had little to sustain them beyond their faith in the God of their fathers, a faith that we Christians share with you, our brothers and sisters. How can we begin to grasp the enormity of what took place in those infamous prisons? The entire human race feels deep shame at the savage brutality shown to your people at that time. Allow me to recall what I said on that sombre occasion: "The rulers of the Third Reich wanted to crush the entire Jewish people, to cancel it from the register of the peoples of the earth. Thus the words of the Psalm, 'We are being killed, accounted as sheep for the slaughter', were fulfilled in a terrifying way." 

    Our meeting today occurs in the context of your visit to Italy in conjunction with your annual Leadership Mission to Israel. I too am preparing to visit Israel, a land which is holy for Christians as well as Jews, since the roots of our faith are to be found there. Indeed, the Church draws its sustenance from the root of that good olive tree, the people of Israel, onto which have been grafted the wild olive branches of the Gentiles (cf. Rom 11: 17-24). From the earliest days of Christianity, our identity and every aspect of our life and worship have been intimately bound up with the ancient religion of our fathers in faith.

    The two-thousand-year history of the relationship between Judaism and the Church has passed through many different phases, some of them painful to recall. Now that we are able to meet in a spirit of reconciliation, we must not allow past difficulties to hold us back from extending to one another the hand of friendship. Indeed, what family is there that has not been troubled by tensions of one kind or another? The Second Vatican Council's Declaration Nostra Aetate marked a milestone in the journey towards reconciliation, and clearly outlined the principles that have governed the Church's approach to Christian-Jewish relations ever since. The Church is profoundly and irrevocably committed to reject all anti-Semitism and to continue to build good and lasting relations between our two communities. If there is one particular image which encapsulates this commitment, it is the moment when my beloved predecessor Pope John Paul II stood at the Western Wall in Jerusalem, pleading for God's forgiveness after all the injustice that the Jewish people have had to suffer. I now make his prayer my own: "God of our fathers, you chose Abraham and his descendants to bring your Name to the Nations: we are deeply saddened by the behaviour of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood with the people of the Covenant" (26 March 2000). 

    The hatred and contempt for men, women and children that was manifested in the Shoah was a crime against God and against humanity. This should be clear to everyone, especially to those standing in the tradition of the Holy Scriptures, according to which every human being is created in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27). It is beyond question that any denial or minimization of this terrible crime is intolerable and altogether unacceptable. Recently, in a public audience, I reaffirmed that the Shoah must be "a warning for all against forgetfulness, denial or reductionism, because violence committed against one single human being is violence against all" (January 28, 2009).

    This terrible chapter in our history must never be forgotten. Remembrance — it is rightly said — is memoria futuri, a warning to us for the future, and a summons to strive for reconciliation. To remember is to do everything in our power to prevent any recurrence of such a catastrophe within the human family by building bridges of lasting friendship. It is my fervent prayer that the memory of this appalling crime will strengthen our determination to heal the wounds that for too long have sullied relations between Christians and Jews. It is my heartfelt desire that the friendship we now enjoy will grow ever stronger, so that the Church's irrevocable commitment to respectful and harmonious relations with the people of the Covenant will bear fruit in abundance. 

    R. Sungenis: Michael, overall, I think the speech was very good. The pope conceded nothing in the way of Catholic doctrine to the Jews. Although he called them “the people of the Covenant,” this is innocuous by itself, for it doesn’t mean that the Old Covenant is still valid. It simply means that, at one time the Jews had the Old Covenant and thus even today we identify them with the Old Covenant, and for that history we respect them as having been very close to God. The pope has made it very clear in other places, however, that the Old Covenant is revoked and replaced by the New Covenant (e.g., Many Religions: One Covenant, p. 70). In any case, the pope made it a point to be very friendly toward the Jews and to recognize and sympathize with the terrible suffering they went through in WWII. No one should minimize that suffering. The pope also pointed out, however, that there were more than Jews who went through the suffering (“I meditated on the countless number of prisoners, so many of them Jews, who had trodden that same path into captivity at Auschwitz and in all the other prison camps.”). The pope made no mention of the “6 million” figure that has become such a hot issue in the Williamson affair. The pope did the right thing. In reality, it doesn’t make any difference whether it’s 600,000 (according to a recent report by Meyer at http://www.vho.org/GB/c/Meyer.html) or 6,000,000. The fact is, it was a terrible tragedy for the Jews and everyone else involved, and we better hope that it doesn’t happen again. If Hitler won, we would all be speaking German today and saluting the Nazi flag. The Nazis didn’t care whether you were Jew or Gentile. If you didn’t give allegiance to the Third Reich, you were an enemy. But we must also acknowledge that there are big and little Auschwitzes all over the world today, and Israel herself is guilty of creating some of them against the Palestinians, as even Cardinal Martino said in a recent interview that “Gaza was a concentration camp.” The most important thing we must be careful to do with the Jews is not be so friendly to them that we forget the raw spiritual fact that they, as St. Paul said, are, “from the standpoint of the Gospel, they are enemies” (Romans 11:28). Hence, no matter how similar our two faiths may be in certain areas, the major fact remains that the Jews are not our spiritual friends, they are our spiritual enemies, just as are the Muslims, the Confusionists, the Hindus, etc. Why? Because none of them believe that Jesus Christ is God, and our Lord and Savior. It’s great to be friends with people, but if your friendliness begins to make you an enemy of God, then your friendliness has gone too far. This is the danger of ecumenism. Ecumenism is good, but it can easily become corrupted if the proper boundaries are not set around it.  


Comments (5)

  • Hi Robert,

    Enough is enough.

    At what point do we start calling a thing for what it is? Do words and actions actually mean anything anymore?

    The Shoah has become the chief ontological event in the New World Order, and a potent political tool used to justify and facilitate all manner of political evil.

    If Rome still had courage it would force the issue, many scholars are willing to support Bishop Williamson.

    The Pope is teaching heresy, there is only one reading of Holy Scripture. Our Lord said that if the Jews read Scripture honestly (ie. believed Moses and the Scriptures) they would believe in and recognize Him.

    Rabbinical Judaism IS NOT Scriptural. It is satanic, or more precisely, 'The Synagogue of Satan'. For anyone who doubts that, please read Michael Hoffman's Judaism Discovered, or watch Ted Pike's movie, read Professor Israel Shahak's work. Or read the writings of Father Fahey, Mgr. Dillon, Vicomte Leon De Poncins, Nesta Webster. Even better read the Church Fathers and Papal condemnations. 

    Rightly, has Archbishop Theodosius of Sebaste told the Pope he is not welcome. More Catholics need to oppose Zionism, not condone those who placate them:


    Please see my article here:


    From which I quote:

    Satanic blasphemies from the Talmud:

    Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in hell being boiled in hot excrement.
    - Gittin 57a

    May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.

    Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.
    - Sanhedrin 107b

    Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.
    - Sotah 47a

    Miriam (the Virgin Mary) the hairdresser had sex with many men.
    - Shabbath 104b, Hebrew edition only

    She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the Virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.
    - Sanhedrin 106a

    It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.
    - Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

    The term Anti-Semite has nothing to do with racism, if it did, the Jewish nation would be the most Anti-Semitic nation on earth.

    The Palestinians are beasts walking on two legs.

    - Israeli Prime
    Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon
    Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

    We must expel Arabs and take their places."

    - David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

    We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and
    the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab

    - David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
    From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York

    [The Palestinians] would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls.- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

    Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in
    China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass
    expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.

    - Benyamin
    Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister
    of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the
    Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

    All children of the ‘goyim’ גוים (gentiles) are animals.
    - Yebamoth 98a

    The Non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves
    - Midrasch Talpioth 225

    The birth-rate of the Non-Jews has to be suppressed massively
    - Zohar II, 4b

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, words and actions mean things.

  • Robert, Zionism is pushing for an attack on Iran, anybody who supports Zionism - including the Pope - is evil. Period.

    If the Pope kowtows to Rabbinical Judaism, he is worshiping Satan.

    Major Premise: The Talmud is satanic
    Minor Premise: The Pope praises it
    Conclusion: The Pope is praising satanism.

    For any of you who disagree, prove the premises wrong, I challenge you!

    Wasn't Iraq enough? Please see my page here:


    Enough really is a bloody enough! I tire of politically correct people with their fine politically correct words, whilst the world is going to hell in a hand-basket.

    You wanna know why abortion is pushed? Because the Talmud teaches that non-Jews are animals. Fight the problem at its root, not the symptoms.

    God will judge our fence sitting, wake up before it's too late.

  • I apologize Robert,

    I shouldn't be so passionate. I just got frustrated at Catholics fence-sitting whilst all hell is breaking loose.

    I would like to clarify a couple of points.

    Firstly, my comments are not directed at you, but the Catholic World (particularly the hierarchy) in general.

    Secondly, many people are not aware of the true nature of Zionism, so they are obviously not evil if they support it in good will. They really do need to examine it, however. If somebody supported Nazism out of good will nowadays, we'd certainly think unfavorably of them.

    Thirdly, I can't accuse the Pope of heresy. His words and actions are too ambiguous, it's impossible to know what he means.

    Please feel free to removed my posts if you find them offensive.

  • I would also like to clarify that if I speak negatively of Jews, I am not referring to the typical Jewish person. I have known many fine Jewish people, for a detailed explanation please read here:


    In fact many of the most prominent opponents of Zionism are Jews.

    The Talmud is not the only literature which preaches racial inequality, it is extreme, however, and does call for the death of the goyim. Despite any eugenics agenda, ultimately, our rejection of God's Law in our personal lives, and in society, facilitates abortion.

    Why can't we a have unity based on Truth, an inter-religious dialogue centered on truth and respect? The Gospels are the model, Our Lord is the example. He was kind to all, but unflinching in his condemnation of the pharisees (read: Zionists) and their teachings.

    Finally, the personal commitment of every catholic to live out our Lady of Fatima's message is enough to convert the whole world.

  • Mr. Sungenis,

    You write, "The pope made no mention of the '6 million' figure that has become such a hot issue in the Williamson affair. The pope did the right thing. In reality, it doesn’t make any difference whether it’s 600,000 (according to a recent report by Meyer) or 6,000,000."  

    Why are you dragging the Pope into your and bishop Williamson's Holocaust revisionism?   He wants nothing to do with it and condemned it as "intolerable." 
    Pope Benedict XVI: 
    "It is right and fitting that, during my stay in Israel, I will have the opportunity to honor the memory of the six million Jewish victims of the Shoah, and to pray that humanity will never again witness a crime of such magnitude."  Ben Gurion Airport, May 11, 2009.
    "I have come to stand in silence before this monument, erected to the honor of the memory of the millions of Jews killed in the horrific tragedy of the Shoah.  They lost their lives, but they will never lose their names:  these are indelibly etched in the hearts of their loved ones...Most of all, their names are forever fixed in the memory of Almighty God...May their suffering never be denied, belittled or forgotten!"  Yad Vashem, May 11, 2009. 

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